What is the deal with livejasmin models blocking private chats?

num19

Why they do this? Years ago I could spy on almost all private chats on livejasmin. Nowadays almost all private chats are blocked. It's fucking annoying. I can't spy and check what the girl is up to. Some girls block the session as soon as it starts, others leave it open until they get naked.

watcher82

You pretty much answered your own question.

I can't spy and check what the girl is up to.

They don't want people to spy. Why? Some reasons...

1. They have a whole scripted routine before getting down to business, and they want every member to go through this routine. It means money to them. If you were able to spy or jump into an ongoing private chat and watch the naughty part, it means that you didn't have to spend money on the initial mambo jumbo chat/tease shit they do in the beginning of every paid session. How long this routine takes depends on the girl.
   
2. They do it to prevent piracy. It reduces the chances of being recorded, but it doesn't stop, specially if the girl is popular. They know that pirates only want to record the naughty part. See first point. So, if a pirate wants to record her show, he must pay for the whole thing, which they usually don't want to.
   
3. To avoid multiple members. I heard this from a girl when I asked her why she locked our private session. She said that if it was open, other members would join, request things and I wouldn't have undivided attention from her.

As for the girl on point 3, I told her to unlock it to see what would happen. It took about 10 minutes for a member to join. He started talking to her, and she replied saying she was with another member and he left. But, according to LiveJasmin, she is not obligated to reply. She must give full attention to the member who initiated the session. Only interact with other members if this does not disturb the first member. At least that was what support explained to me a couple of years ago.

I asked other girls why they do this, and all of them replied with some variant of "because I want". Trying to get a normal answer or rationalize with them is pointless as they see this as an attack and their response is to be rude.

In my opinion, the first point is, by far, the most common reason. Though, naturally, you won't see any girl admitting that.

Scam_Models

No, no and no. The ONLY reason LJ models make privates exclusive is because they lie and manipulate multiple members with bullshit about love and interest. You would be surprised to know that most members believe they have some sort of "special" relationship with these models. Unfortunately, unless you are conversing with these models OFFLINE as in personal social media ( not to be confused with their studio social media ) or with personal phone calls, everything they tell you is nothing more than a big lie, no matter how much you are tipping them.

The reason they go exclusive is to hide this from all their other members that they are doing the same shit to. Kind of hard to keep multiple regular members with promises of love and a future if they can peek in on a private and see you feeding the same bullshit to another member.

watcher82

I don't know, man. If this is the only reason, then 80% of the girls are bullshiting members with love scam. But yeah, if you are saying "I love you" to all members, then hiding the conversations is a smart decision.

I have been in private chats with girls who blocked the sessions right away. With most of them it was the first private. There was no love shit or whatever. Just 100% hardcore masturbation. Unless... they promise their lovers to not do this and that for other members, but then they do it anyway. If this is the case, then these guys are at a different level of stupidity. These girls are well-known for their fast deliver of hardcore shows, and somehow these guys think they don't shove dildos up their butts to any member because they are "in love"?

In any case, I know for sure that many girls have their routines, and they want members to go through it. I have caught many girls right after the member left (they were still naked with dildos around) and asked them to continue the show. Most of them said we should talk first, that it would be better if I came back in 5 minutes and start a new private chat. When I did so, I ended up having to chat with them for 10 minutes or so before I could see a nipple. When I refused to do so, and insisted on the show, they refused or acted so moody and robotic that forced me to leave.

The "avoid multiple members" I mentioned because a girl told me that. But that is 100% bullshit.

Miiii3

I know it is not the situation here, and there are indeed a lot of models locking their privates. But there is also the situation where the member locks it. If the member enables two-way audio, the session is locked. It is for privacy reasons, so nobody can hear what the member is saying in private. The other situation is if the member starts that stupid truth or dare game. I don't know why it locks the private. Maybe it is a technical limitation because only one member can play the game.

Scam_Models

I didn't mean that every exclusive private is done to prevent a cam models multiple love interests from figuring out what's really going on, but that is the majority of it. I just spent the past 3 weeks with the model MelanieSanchez and she is 100% trying to hookup with members. I sent her my IG and she found me there, then after a quick connection on IG, we moved to Whatsapp where she proceeded to tell me how much I mean to her. This all happened within the first few days after coming into her room. After spending some time in her room, she tried to prove to me she was serious by telling me not to tip her anymore on LJ and that we would just talk on Whatsapp.

Within the following 2 weeks, I noticed she started talking with multiple other members the exact same way she was with me and so the first red flag arrived. Fortunately for me, one of these members took her private and she forgot to make it exclusive and I did some peek previews only to find that she was doing the same exact thing with that dude, that she was with me.

No, it's not the only reason models make privates exclusive and yes, members going cam2cam or 2 way audio will make it exclusive as well, but models who are playing the lover scam will 100% start privates in exclusive to keep their bullshit from being discovered. Of course, I have the receipts to prove it in this case since she didn't have disappearing messages turned on in Whatsapp.

Granted, she could have been legitimately serious about it and was simply "playing the field" by showing interest in multiple members until someone said yes, who knows. Anyways, there are definitely quite a few models on LJ that are down for serious relationships if you know what the fuck you're doing.

num19

Thanks everyone for replying.

I get the point. Main reason is to keep in secret what they say to other members so they can pull the same scam on multiple members.

But why blocking private chats wasn't that common years ago? Girls manipulating multiple members has been happening for decades. Why suddenly almost every girl start blocking it?

WhatHank

I am not going to say who because I don't want to be identified, but recently I had a girl kicking me out from her private. It is a girl who always blocks her private. But I managed to join right after it started, before she could block it. She allowed me there until before the pussy part. Then she kicked me out and her private got blocked.

I asked support if she can do that. I already knew the answer, it was just an introduction to the issue. But they diverted. In the end they suggested me to ask the model in a message. I did so, and she said she only shows pussy in exclusive.

Now, about whether she can kick out members or not.  Yes and no. It will raise a flag, and LiveJasmin may ask why they did so. If the model has a good reason (like the member was a jerk, the member was doing or asking her to do something illegal), she will be ok. Otherwise, she will get a warn. I don't know if they still suspend models.

Scam_Models

Sorry to hear this WhatHank and if that happened to me, I'm not sure what I would do. I mean, if you want to see her pussy, why not just take her private yourself? I don't see the point in joining someone else's private if you can see it in your own private. The only reason I think people join model's privates is the hope of seeing something they normally couldn't afford to, which begs to question if that feature is more annoying the positive. I think the sneak peeks are ok because they are far less disruptive. As for multiple people joining privates, I believe LiveJasmin should just get rid of that feature altogether, so models can milk other members for the boring part of the show and then kick them immediately before the juicy parts.

TerriblePet

I know this is not the main reason at all. But many Russian girls are blocking private chats to avoid problems with police. The other day I had a private chat with a Russian girl who said she blocks because showing pussy is illegal. I heard this before. Some girls say nudity, some say pussy, some say masturbation... It is a porn license matter. They need one, and no studio wants to pay for it. After police raided a big Russian studio last year, all studios started doing this because they are afraid that police is watching them. It is a bit stupid because police is only going after big studios (why bother with a studio that has 5 girls?) and only if the girl is getting naked in free chat because it is easy for police to collect evidence. They are not going to pay to spy on a private chat.

Beercules

I was just now on MFC, and I noticed that most of the girls in private chat were actually in true private chat. But on MFC the model can't block the session, it needs to be the member to choose it before the session starts, and it costs $2 more per minute. I know that years ago some girls were demanding members to choose true private in order for them to accept the private request. I don't know if this still a thing there.

Also, on Streamate, many of the girls on my favorite list are usually in exclusive private chats. I know many models there say they only do certain things in exclusive. They claim privacy, but it is just to get more money. Some girls charge like $8-$10 per minute.

On Chaturbate there are many girls only going private if the private is locked. I have also seen on StripChat some girls in exclusive. Funny that they are usually in free chat or member chat on LiveJasmin.

My point is, this thing seems to be transversal to many camsites. It is not happening only on LiveJasmin. I think models/studios are pushing more better monetize their time. Exclusive sessions are always more expensive, and that is a good way to make more money per minute.

In any case, I agree with what you guys said. There are indeed many girls blocking sessions simply so others can't see what she does/says to others.

WhatHank

I talked to CristinaRous. She said it's because in her country (Russia) she can't show pussy. So, she blocks all private chats to be sure it's only that member watching and the "porn" police won't peek at her private and collect evidence.

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I have some model friends who share a lot of private and personal things, even on their own phone screens. No nosy types have to watch along.

num19

BikiniKing said:

I have some model friends who share a lot of private and personal things, even on their own phone screens. No nosy types have to watch along.

It's a completely different situation. We are not talking about models that block private chats with some regular members because they are about to share some personal stuff. That is a fine reason to block a private chat. The matter here is the girls (and there are many) who instantly block every single private chat.

I think that most girls are doing so to avoid people jumping in the middle of an explicit show and watching the good part without going through the initial chit-chat. I had more than a few girls asking me to end the private and return in 2 minutes. When I did so, they were all dressed up, ready to chat. The ones I refused to do so they gave a lousy show or simply refused to do it, forcing me to end the private chat.

[Deleted User]

You do understand it's their job, right?  What they actually do is literally their business!

I think this is a more plausible reason that they want you to start from Free (scratch..), as it says in the wiki of LJ:

"Please note that Private Chats initiated from the Member Chat have a 5% lower commission than Private Chats initiated from the Free Chat."

https://livejasminwiki.com/level-dependent-payment-system/

Scam_Models

This shit is hilarious. If a model does things you don't like, then stop supporting her. Find a model or models that suit your interests and support them instead.

Tomcat

Natalie blocks every session within one second. In about 2 years following her, I only caught her privates open twice. In both situations, I was able to stay for as long as she was only teasing and showing tits. As soon as things were about to get real kinky, she kicked me out and blocked the session. I had my own privates with her, so I am not a stranger to her. Yet, she kicks me out without mercy or any warning.

Then, there is VioletaLyons. She used to block most of her sessions. Usual price is 3.99 per minute. Then I caught her on promo charging 0.98. I thought she was going to do nothing. But she was doing pretty much everything she would do for 3.99. I got there and she was putting a buttplug in her ass. Then she went for a deepthroat and started slapping her face. All for 0.98 per minute.

It is all about what you can take from your audience. Violeta was in high demand at some point. Because of that, she was charging more and locking the sessions. Now I guess things are slow and she tried the promo price. Of course, she won't make much if she locks the session. She would be limited to one member paying 0.98 per minute and hoped he would tip a lot to offset the low price. So, she must leave the session open to attract more members and have a chance of making a good money.

sickrick77

LiveJasmin now has an option for members to lock the private chat. I think this should be the only way for a private chat to be locked. Models shouldn't be able to control this.

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sickrick77 said:

LiveJasmin now has an option for members to lock the private chat. I think this should be the only way for a private chat to be locked. Models shouldn't be able to control this.

Only for Pro and Casanova members...

And I disagree...again, it is non of your business why they make it exclusive! Besides that you don't know WHO put it on exclusive. It could well be a member as well, you can't see that. 

Scam_Models

I never go exclusive in private simply because I don't give a fuck if someone else wants to spy on the model. I mean, that is why they are there no? To make money. Going exclusive means less money, so again, the only reason models do it, is because they are manipulative liars who need to maintain control over their plethora of sugar daddies.

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Scam_Models said:

I never go exclusive in private simply because I don't give a fuck if someone else wants to spy on the model. I mean, that is why they are there no? To make money. Going exclusive means less money, so again, the only reason models do it, is because they are manipulative liars who need to maintain control over their plethora of sugar daddies.

Just because you don't do it...doesn't mean other members don't want to be gullible and don't want to be lied to! Some of it might be part of the fantasy and the GFE, when taken in private (at Jasmin) and not going into exclusive the model needs to divide the attention/chat...it takes two to tango, don't just lash out at the model. 

Scam_Models

BikiniKing said:

Scam_Models said:

I never go exclusive in private simply because I don't give a fuck if someone else wants to spy on the model. I mean, that is why they are there no? To make money. Going exclusive means less money, so again, the only reason models do it, is because they are manipulative liars who need to maintain control over their plethora of sugar daddies.

Just because you don't do it...doesn't mean other members don't want to be gullible and don't want to be lied to! Some of it might be part of the fantasy and the GFE, when taken in private (at Jasmin) and not going into exclusive the model needs to divide the attention/chat...it takes two to tango, don't just lash out at the model. 

I can't speak for other sites, but LiveJasmin is notorious for models who play a serious game of lies and manipulation. Not all of them but a good percentage of them do this. They will lie about their age, which country they are from ( usually only Romanians do this but some Russians do it too ), about being single ( quite a few are married or at least in a relationship and some even have kids ). They will also play the sad, woe is me game about all the shit going on in their life, so please feel sorry for me and tip me for no reason. Based on my encounters on LJ, I would even say 90% of models follow this pattern of bs and most of them work at a studio.

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Scam_Models said:

BikiniKing said:

Scam_Models said:

I never go exclusive in private simply because I don't give a fuck if someone else wants to spy on the model. I mean, that is why they are there no? To make money. Going exclusive means less money, so again, the only reason models do it, is because they are manipulative liars who need to maintain control over their plethora of sugar daddies.

Just because you don't do it...doesn't mean other members don't want to be gullible and don't want to be lied to! Some of it might be part of the fantasy and the GFE, when taken in private (at Jasmin) and not going into exclusive the model needs to divide the attention/chat...it takes two to tango, don't just lash out at the model. 

I can't speak for other sites, but LiveJasmin is notorious for models who play a serious game of lies and manipulation. Not all of them but a good percentage of them do this. They will lie about their age, which country they are from ( usually only Romanians do this but some Russians do it too ), about being single ( quite a few are married or at least in a relationship and some even have kids ). They will also play the sad, woe is me game about all the shit going on in their life, so please feel sorry for me and tip me for no reason. Based on my encounters on LJ, I would even say 90% of models follow this pattern of bs and most of them work at a studio.

Okay...so? You think guys don't know? I am not really sure what you are trying to tell. For most of the performers it is the easiest/fastest way to getting independent. The salaries (for ordinary jobs in comparable functions in the west) in Eastern Europe (let alone Russia right now..) is still pretty lousy in comparison.

And yes, they try to reach those goals by any means possible...

Tomcat

sickrick77 said:

LiveJasmin now has an option for members to lock the private chat. I think this should be the only way for a private chat to be locked. Models shouldn't be able to control this.

Terrible idea. On other sites models can't lock private chats. So, they tell members that if they want to see certain things, they must pay for exclusive. Go to Streamate. Half of the models there have two prices. So many will tell you to pay for exclusive if you want a more hardcore show. It has nothing to do with privacy. They are just using this chat option to charge a fee for certain sex acts. Like it was some premium service. The same would happen on LiveJasmin. Then you would have girls doing regular privates and exclusive privates. Regular is ok price but you only see nipples. Exclusive is super expensive and you can see more.

Many LJ girls are already doing this. They will say you must tip if you want "this or that."

On the subject, I had privates with two girls in the last weeks where they automatically locked the sessions. I didn't ask to be locked, and they didn't ask if I wanted to. They just locked it. I asked why they did it. One said this is how she does and there is nothing to talk about it. The other said she wanted to prevent other members from joining it so she could give me full attention and privacy. She unlocked it, but warned me that our private would be disturbed by others. Only one guy joined and left in 5 seconds.

justme

You can now see in private when the model manually switches the session to exclusive. So many do that without me asking anything. It is kind of interesting to see that they all switch to exclusive when they are either going to get naked or do something more, like use a big dildo or have anal sex. I don't think this has anything to do with privacy. In most cases, it may be because the girl considers nudity/big dildo/anal/etc. a premium service and she doesn't want random members peeking at that for 1.99.

jadow

The answer is far simpler than all that.  Money.  Streamate and MFC charge more for exclusive.  Livejasmin stopped giving models a share of sneekpeek profits.  They go exclusive so Jasmin doesn't get to make free money off them.I, too, noticed this trend.  It started right after Jasmin cut off sneekpeek money.

Tomcat

jadow said:

The answer is far simpler than all that.  Money.  Streamate and MFC charge more for exclusive.  Livejasmin stopped giving models a share of sneekpeek profits.  They go exclusive so Jasmin doesn't get to make free money off them.I, too, noticed this trend.  It started right after Jasmin cut off sneekpeek money.

I didn't know livejasmin was not paying for peeks. It's not fair. But livejasmin is far from being a fair company. They are no longer paying for messages either.

But it is hard to believe that models are blocking privates just to show the middle finger to livejasmin. I understand that they may be angry or frustrated. But they are missing an opportunity. Just the other day I peeked at a private chat of a cute petite girl that I saw for the first time last week. I peeked because I wanted to see what she was up to. Things were so madly intense and hardcore that I joined private right away. I stayed there for 30 minutes and dropped more than 100 credits in tips to control the sex machine.

If this girl were all the time blocking privates, I would probably never spend a dime on her. Why? Because I want to know what they are up to before jumping into private. I can easily spend 45+ minutes in private. But I don't want to spend 45+ minutes in private trying to find out whether the girl gets naked or not. Maybe I am out of luck or something. But every single "exclusive" model I had private with tried to drag me into a long conversation or seduction game. When I said I wanted more, they either reacted rude/offensively or asked me to "motivate" them (aka tip).

I add girls to my favs and later remove them without having a private chat just because they are always blocking the private chat.

WhatHank

SabrinaKrystal was in private chat and I was peeking from time to time. She got fully naked. When she was going to do more than just be naked, she said "...by the way, let me just make the private exclusive", and blocked the private.

Last week I had two privates where the models made it exclusive without me asking anything. With one girl, I said she didn't have to make it exclusive, but she ignored or didn't see what I said.

The number of girls blocking the private is much bigger than the number of members paying/wanting exclusive.

Sebi

Russian and Ukrainian models block private for fearing being caught by the police. The stories of studios being raided made studios adapt to avoid problems. One of the measures is to block the private, another is to pretend to be non nude.

Romanian models do it for two reasons. One, to avoid members joining ongoing shows to watch the good part without paying for the initial boring chit chat. Two, so they can "love" multiple members and these members can't see what the model does/says to others.

These are the two main group of models that block privates on LiveJasmin. Colombian and South American models never block privates. If you find any of those in exclusive, it is because the member enabled it. Polish models too. Though, some non nude Polish models block privates for whatever reason.

I had private chats with models from other countries on LiveJasmin: Slovakia, Spain, Latvia (the true ones, not the Russians pretending to be from Latvia), the United States, and Canada. There are not that many models from these countries, especially Americans and Canadians, who are very rare on LJ. But the ones I had private conversations with never blocked the private.