Let's be clear. The ONLY things I ever responded to and challenged were the raffle winners being the same guy (they're obviously not), the Tates tipping to keep her high ranked (that's unnecessary), and her age when she started camming (easily documented). I contested NOTHING else... where is the opinion or bias in any of that?
You all believe what you want to believe and react with hatred and insults towards anyone who contradicts that belief, especially me. You then demand evidence where none is even needed, while at the same time not requiring the same to support your own beliefs. It is YOU who have the opinions.
I can provide as much evidence as you want, not that it's going to change your mind, but I'll humor you all anyway on the points I have mentioned:
First, the raffle winners to date are IrinasDaddy, PillowMetal, Burumpumpum, JamesBond, Penny4Irina, CaptTuturu, and Puretorture. Skip date tips were from Bill0726, KingofIrina, and a ninja who I won't divulge because he doesn't want to be known. Three of these she has met, one she called off, two of these called it off themselves, and four of these are still active tippers in the room and just haven't scheduled a day yet. PM me if you want to know the details of any of these tippers, I am not going to dump that information here.
Second, the Tates tipping for rank; I've already outlined in a response to Bill on how ludicrous this is, but even if you spend any amount of time in the room, you can clearly see her rank rising incrementally with each tip, and falling off when she is offline or on vacation. Andyb1970 and myself first brought her into the top 20 in May of 2016, and she is now usually between 22 and 12, once having reached 4. It is the sheer number of tippers that consistently tip her that now keeps her high, and others that come and go. The tippers on average also tip higher in this room than most other rooms.
Lastly, her age and length of camming is known by anyone that has spent any time in the room where she has talked about it countless times, as well as those who have known her or seen her over a number of years. If you need further proof, search for her names of AngelRussian and Kissofacobra and see for yourself. Do your own due diligence.
Is this enough "evidence" for you, will you provide evidence to the contrary, or will you simply return to insulting me or trying to discredit me, which only shows that you have no premise to your argument and are committing a logical fallacy. I'm pretty sure the insults will continue, but that's OK, I'm quite used to having haters, get in line.
Again, everything stated is opinion and not supported with any evidence whatsoever.
Just because you say it's true, it does't mean it is. Unless you can support it with actual evidence and not hearsay.
If this is all you have as examples of evidence, you would get destroyed in a court of law.
Please learn the difference between opinion and fact and also what supporting evidence is.
I have not insulted you at all.
If the Tate's are tipping, it would be done offline as offline tips supposedly increase cam score more then online tips. You have to spend money to make money, it's called marketing.
I will not provide you with any evidence as not once have I claimed that my opinion is fact. I know the difference between the two.
Your hater comment made me chuckle, it seems that most people who feel they are losing an argument tend to throw out the hater comment. No hatred here, just trying to educate you.
First of all Pillow I don't have anything against you either. We've always treated each other with respect and I hope that continues. My objective in this forum was not to condemn Irina for who tips her. I don't care who tips her or how much. I mentioned earlier that I didn't state that as fact, only what I've heard. My objective on here was to inform others that she will lie, steal & cheat with absolutely no remorse whatsoever. I know that from personal experience. You may say it's because I was impatient but I feel like I shouldn't have to wait 3, 4 or 5 months on panties, personal vids
or anything else that I paid for. Granted her and I did fight a lot but when I'm treated like that I tend to react accordingly. I was at one time one of her biggest tippers and she fucked me out of a lot of money. Fortunately I am in a position where I can recover financially without to much hardship but I'm pretty sure there are others on here who can't and she doesn't care about that. Maybe she treats others differently. I certainly hope so for her sake.
Probably 90% of the time when I tipped her it was just to help out with the topic or whatever, expecting nothing in return. But the times I did buy something from her I would either have to wait for a long time to get it or I wouldn't get it at all. And from what I've seen I'm not the only one.
That's my point, I CAN support it with actual evidence to show what I outlined is indisputably true, which by definition is a fact. I am not about to release these pieces of personal information, documents, pictures, addresses, conversations here, this is not a court of law. Most of what I said is publicly verifiable information anyway.
The only reason I came on here and commented in the first place is to set some things straight; because of the vast amount of information I have, and the relationship I have with the model and her friends, I am in a much better position to correct the rumors and speculation floating around here than anyone else.
But the minute I walked in here you advised everyone to ignore me because I am biased and my opinions are not backed up by any facts. Should I say same about you that your opinions should be ignored because they are not back up by facts? At least I have information and first hand knowledge that I can share, which is more than I can say for you.
You then went further and called my integrity into question when you said I remind you of the of the press secretary trying to use lies to cover up lies. So now not only are they not facts, they are not opinions either, they are lies. That is certainly an insult.
Besides, I wasn't even referring to you in those hater comments, I had said "you all" collectively. Anonymous clearly is a hater and is directly insulting me, in which I responded with tongue in cheek comments. I do have a sense of humor.
Your comment about tipping offline to increase camscore is only true in the sense that camscore is calculated by tokens divided by time online, but with that comes a corresponding increase or at least maintaining in rank, and yet her rank drops daily over night.
But who cares if they are doing that anyway. I was only saying that knowing the Tates, having talked to them, and even assisted them in certain endeavors, combined with the fact that her rank doesn't inexplicably rise over night is enough for me to know that the tipping is not true either. But I'll be sure to put them on the stand and subpoena Irina's account records to convince you.
Believe what you want, I am only sharing what I know and what can be shown to be true. Disagree if you must, but do not impugn my character just because of my relationship with the model, especially when you have nothing to offer that contradicts what I am saying.
It is true that things can sometimes take quite a while to be fulfilled; it's an unfortunate side effect of her rise in popularity, and demands on her time. Even I have things owed or due, but I know she will eventually get to them with gentle reminders here and there (it's not for no reason that she often refers to me in room as annoyingPillow haha).
She is often overwhelmed with backlog and I have talked to her about how to alleviate that and prevent it in the future. It's simply the laws of supply and demand. You may have noticed she has raised her panty prices, skype prices, custom prices, etc. This is not because of greed, it is to reduce the demand and make it so fulfilling these obligations can be done in a more timely manner; and it has worked.
You also know as well as I do, that she has a self-admitted quick Russian temper that can sometimes result in rude and slightly vindictive behavior. But it subsides as quickly as it appears as long as the flames are not stoked. Also, "greasing the wheels" a little bit sometimes helps; perhaps this shouldn't be so, but she IS a cam model, and this IS a business, and sometimes paying for "expedited service" is worth it, both in the short term and the long term.
But I agree with your intent Bill, you have every right to share your experience with Irina and let people know. My only intent here is to make sure that rumors and incorrect assumptions are not propagated and to explain instances of her behavior, what caused it, and perhaps provide some insight to how that can be prevented in the future. I wish you nothing but the best.
it was a tongue in cheek retort to what you said about my nose being up her ass. Did you not get the joke? And I think you're mistaken, it's gotta be millions by now (see that was another joke)
And your right this IS a business and she should treat it as such and no one should have to pay for "expedited service" especially after taking that damn long. Best wishes my friend.
"That's my point, I CAN support it with actual evidence to show what I outlined is indisputably true, which by definition is a fact. I am not about to release these pieces of personal information, documents, pictures, addresses, conversations here, this is not a court of law. Most of what I said is publicly verifiable information anyway."
You can't support nothing with evidence, otherwise you would have done so by now. I haven't asked for you to release any personal information, documents, pictures, addresses or conversations. I never said that this was a court of law, I suggest you re-read what I've written.
"The only reason I came on here and commented in the first place is to set some things straight; because of the vast amount of information I have, and the relationship I have with the model and her friends, I am in a much better position to correct the rumors and speculation floating around here than anyone else."
You are quite within your rights to come on to this forum and set some things straight, however you haven't set anything straight because all you've done is give one opinion after another with no supportive evidence.
"But the minute I walked in here you advised everyone to ignore me because I am biased and my opinions are not backed up by any facts. Should I say same about you that your opinions should be ignored because they are not back up by facts? At least I have information and first hand knowledge that I can share, which is more than I can say for you."
You first commented on this forum 1 year 9 months ago, I first commented 7 months 3 weeks ago. That's hardly the minute you walked in. I still advise everyone to ignore what you've written or to take what you say with a pinch of salt as you are KissofaCobra's biggest fan, one of her biggest tippers, you spend every minute she is online with her and you also say that you have a relationship with her and her friends. Are you really trying to say that you are unbiased? It's clear for all to see that you are going to have a biased opinion just by the fact you feel the need to comment and clear up rumours and speculation. At what point did I say I have first hand knowledge? Again re-read what i've written.
"You then went further and called my integrity into question when you said I remind you of the of the press secretary trying to use lies to cover up lies. So now not only are they not facts, they are not opinions either, they are lies. That is certainly an insult."
It certainly seems as though you've adopted the role of press secretary; as you feel it necessary to come on to this forum and "correct the rumors and speculation floating around". Aren't you doing exactly what a press secretary/pr manager would do?
"Your comment about tipping offline to increase camscore is only true in the sense that camscore is calculated by tokens divided by time online, but with that comes a corresponding increase or at least maintaining in rank, and yet her rank drops daily over night.
This comment makes no sense, as no one knows the formula and the variables(such as time frame) that MFC uses to calculate cam score.
"But who cares if they are doing that anyway. I was only saying that knowing the Tates, having talked to them, and even assisted them in certain endeavours, combined with the fact that her rank doesn't inexplicably rise over night is enough for me to know that the tipping is not true either. But I'll be sure to put them on the stand and subpoena Irina's account records to convince you."
I don't care if they're doing that or not. Congratulations to helping the Tates in their endeavours, you must be very proud of yourself. You seem to think that I am asking you to provide me with evidence, yet again go back and re-read what I have written. I have never asked you to provide me with evidence. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
"Believe what you want, I am only sharing what I know and what can be shown to be true. Disagree if you must, but do not impugn my character just because of my relationship with the model, especially when you have nothing to offer that contradicts what I am saying."
Thank you for allowing me to believe what I want. You are not sharing anything that can be shown to be true. If you was then you would have backed up everything you say with supporting evidence, which clearly you haven't. I haven't impugned your character at all, you claim something is fact and I say it can't be fact unless supported with evidence. I'm simply taking a critical and analytical approach to what you've stated. You can't handle the fact that others have a different opinion to you.
Now you are just splitting hairs and/or intentionally missing the point.
Of course you've never asked directly for evidence or claimed this was a court of law, you just keep mentioning the lack of supportive evidence over and over.
Again splitting hairs regarding the fact I commented ONCE 1 year 9 months ago to open this forum. I was clearly referring to my recent return to commenting.
Never claimed that you said you had first hand knowledge, was just pointing out that at least I had information, whether you think it should be taken with a grain of salt or not, whereas you are providing nothing.
Totally missing my point about the press secretary reference. Perhaps it appears I am doing what a press secretary does, but my point was that you labeled them "lies"
Of course no one knows the details of camscore calculation, but again my point was that it is not possible for someone to be dumping large amounts of tokens offline into a model without raising her rank too.
And again with if I could, I would have supplied the supporting evidence by now. I have supplied what I can safely and fairly without revealing personal information, if that is not good enough, so be it.
Not intentionally missing any point, you have no valid point.
I keep mentioning lack of supportive evidence because you have provided none. I'm rather perplexed as to why you can't seem to understand the point I am trying to make with regards to facts and opinions. Just because you say it's true, we're supposed to believe you and just accept that?
If you was "clearly" referring to your recent comments then you should have "clearly" stated that in your statement.
Struggling to understand what you actually want me to provide on here. I'm not the one claiming my opinions are facts and then not backing my opinions up with any credible evidence.
There's no perhaps about it, you're doing exactly what a press secretary does.
"Of course no one knows the details of cam score calculation, but again my point was that it is not possible for someone to be dumping large amounts of tokens offline into a model without raising her rank too."
I agree with you on this statement, but i'm unsure as to why you've brought it up as I don't dispute what you're saying here.
I will no longer reply on this thread as we are just going round in circles repeating ourselves. You can't seem to grasp or are unwilling to understand the point i'm trying to make.
This girl is way too dumb. You might want to google Andrew Tate. He is abusing women. There is a video where he clearly slaps her face. That slap wasn’t staged at all. She even started crying. Maybe he is the one who forced her to get that awful tattoo and also his name. There is something fishy about Pillow, he is way too white knight. That Tate dude is such a dumb prick and someone who would even be in a relationship with him is even dumber. This girl is sooo boring on cam, fake smiling, fake laughing, boring performance. So, she is either that dumb or Tate has her with something. Oh, since Pillow knows so much, maybe you want to enlighte us? Also, why is her skin so orange? Trump complex? Is Pillow actually Tate? He always seems rude and she always bears with him. Idk man
No fishy they are not the same Pillow is just sad pathetic man who has nothing better to do than spend all his time in room thinking he is something special and has not got a real life and all he is to her is a cash register
Damn so many conspiracy theories lol you guys need to do something else with your lives than this.This girl clearly doesn't care who she is fucking or you knowing about it or about these comments and is continuing on making money so might aswell move on because it doesn't seem to be stopping her
The night of that video was one of the wettest of her life. She has mellowed a bit since then but still loves slapping, spitting, choking, etc.... she likes it rough and wants the man to be dominant
He didn't force her to get those tattoos, she got his name when they were together, and the cobra tattoo is for a different reason that she shares with only a few people
He doesn't "have something on her", they are genuinely really good friends and see each other almost every day
I am rude and she puts up with it, because it's all a joke... that's why she laughs or shoots back. I am usually referring to some inside joke, or just poking fun and pushing her buttons. She can see me on cam and see that I am laughing when I make those comments
Maybe I like being a sad pathetic man with nothing better to do with my time, thinking I'm special and getting treated like a cash register - what's your problem with me, do you wish it was you?
The truth be known Irina doesn’t give a fuck about anybody except maybe a few friends and her family and that’s ok. SHE CAMS FOR THE MONEY. She scams, cheats, steals and lies for one purpose.........the money. She’s told me on many occasions that if she had her way, she wouldn’t speak to anybody i’m her room. The same holds true I’m sure for all the girls on MFC. If they tell you they’re in love with you then trust me.........they are lying. It’s all fake bullshit. All any of these girls are is wanking material.
Irina is a graet cam model who is worth every token I tip. She has made me feel special every since the first day we met. her personal life is just that personal!! She is model on MFC to make money. shes goal driven and i admire that. she does exactly what i would expect. Gives her members exactky what they tip for. it's unfortunate that out of the 1000 daily vistors to her room a handful of people choose to bash her. She lights up my days and tipping her is well.wort it.
Irina is a liar and a thief who is not worth a single token tip. She lies all the time to get you to part with your tokens. She dont send things that have been bought. She dont give her members what they tip for. She only sends items to her biggest tippers. One of the worst models on MFC and biggest scammer.
your joking right? heres the facts she is a top 20 model at MFC. her ranking alone says it all. how can you be the worst ( in your opinion) and rank as one of the best? something doesn't add up. she is to be admired for her hard work. this girl gives it her all every day. and thats a fact.
ok If Irina and Tate is just friends..can you tell why she posted a picture on instagram named " Another year, the same man" ??? and after few hours it dissapeared! its obviously not only good friend relationship, so Pillow dont talk about things you actualy dont know.
The fact that she says that to you doesnt mean it is true. ALL MODELS LIE. Absolutelyy ALL.Its part of their job to provide you guys fantasy and make you tip for that..but at the same time if you get what you want- WHO CARES ???
At the same time- every fucking model has a outside life and that is none of you guys business!
And Bill..I have hear she talking about you in her room and trust me NONE of the models would meet you in real life afte attitude like that.
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Let's be clear. The ONLY things I ever responded to and challenged were the raffle winners being the same guy (they're obviously not), the Tates tipping to keep her high ranked (that's unnecessary), and her age when she started camming (easily documented). I contested NOTHING else... where is the opinion or bias in any of that?
You all believe what you want to believe and react with hatred and insults towards anyone who contradicts that belief, especially me. You then demand evidence where none is even needed, while at the same time not requiring the same to support your own beliefs. It is YOU who have the opinions.
I can provide as much evidence as you want, not that it's going to change your mind, but I'll humor you all anyway on the points I have mentioned:
First, the raffle winners to date are IrinasDaddy, PillowMetal, Burumpumpum, JamesBond, Penny4Irina, CaptTuturu, and Puretorture. Skip date tips were from Bill0726, KingofIrina, and a ninja who I won't divulge because he doesn't want to be known. Three of these she has met, one she called off, two of these called it off themselves, and four of these are still active tippers in the room and just haven't scheduled a day yet. PM me if you want to know the details of any of these tippers, I am not going to dump that information here.
Second, the Tates tipping for rank; I've already outlined in a response to Bill on how ludicrous this is, but even if you spend any amount of time in the room, you can clearly see her rank rising incrementally with each tip, and falling off when she is offline or on vacation. Andyb1970 and myself first brought her into the top 20 in May of 2016, and she is now usually between 22 and 12, once having reached 4. It is the sheer number of tippers that consistently tip her that now keeps her high, and others that come and go. The tippers on average also tip higher in this room than most other rooms.
Lastly, her age and length of camming is known by anyone that has spent any time in the room where she has talked about it countless times, as well as those who have known her or seen her over a number of years. If you need further proof, search for her names of AngelRussian and Kissofacobra and see for yourself. Do your own due diligence.
Is this enough "evidence" for you, will you provide evidence to the contrary, or will you simply return to insulting me or trying to discredit me, which only shows that you have no premise to your argument and are committing a logical fallacy. I'm pretty sure the insults will continue, but that's OK, I'm quite used to having haters, get in line.
Again, everything stated is opinion and not supported with any evidence whatsoever.
Just because you say it's true, it does't mean it is. Unless you can support it with actual evidence and not hearsay.
If this is all you have as examples of evidence, you would get destroyed in a court of law.
Please learn the difference between opinion and fact and also what supporting evidence is.
I have not insulted you at all.
If the Tate's are tipping, it would be done offline as offline tips supposedly increase cam score more then online tips. You have to spend money to make money, it's called marketing.
I will not provide you with any evidence as not once have I claimed that my opinion is fact. I know the difference between the two.
Your hater comment made me chuckle, it seems that most people who feel they are losing an argument tend to throw out the hater comment. No hatred here, just trying to educate you.
I have no more to say regarding the matter.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
First of all Pillow I don't have anything against you either. We've always treated each other with respect and I hope that continues. My objective in this forum was not to condemn Irina for who tips her. I don't care who tips her or how much. I mentioned earlier that I didn't state that as fact, only what I've heard. My objective on here was to inform others that she will lie, steal & cheat with absolutely no remorse whatsoever. I know that from personal experience. You may say it's because I was impatient but I feel like I shouldn't have to wait 3, 4 or 5 months on panties, personal vids
or anything else that I paid for. Granted her and I did fight a lot but when I'm treated like that I tend to react accordingly. I was at one time one of her biggest tippers and she fucked me out of a lot of money. Fortunately I am in a position where I can recover financially without to much hardship but I'm pretty sure there are others on here who can't and she doesn't care about that. Maybe she treats others differently. I certainly hope so for her sake.
Probably 90% of the time when I tipped her it was just to help out with the topic or whatever, expecting nothing in return. But the times I did buy something from her I would either have to wait for a long time to get it or I wouldn't get it at all. And from what I've seen I'm not the only one.
That's my point, I CAN support it with actual evidence to show what I outlined is indisputably true, which by definition is a fact. I am not about to release these pieces of personal information, documents, pictures, addresses, conversations here, this is not a court of law. Most of what I said is publicly verifiable information anyway.
The only reason I came on here and commented in the first place is to set some things straight; because of the vast amount of information I have, and the relationship I have with the model and her friends, I am in a much better position to correct the rumors and speculation floating around here than anyone else.
But the minute I walked in here you advised everyone to ignore me because I am biased and my opinions are not backed up by any facts. Should I say same about you that your opinions should be ignored because they are not back up by facts? At least I have information and first hand knowledge that I can share, which is more than I can say for you.
You then went further and called my integrity into question when you said I remind you of the of the press secretary trying to use lies to cover up lies. So now not only are they not facts, they are not opinions either, they are lies. That is certainly an insult.
Besides, I wasn't even referring to you in those hater comments, I had said "you all" collectively. Anonymous clearly is a hater and is directly insulting me, in which I responded with tongue in cheek comments. I do have a sense of humor.
Your comment about tipping offline to increase camscore is only true in the sense that camscore is calculated by tokens divided by time online, but with that comes a corresponding increase or at least maintaining in rank, and yet her rank drops daily over night.
But who cares if they are doing that anyway. I was only saying that knowing the Tates, having talked to them, and even assisted them in certain endeavors, combined with the fact that her rank doesn't inexplicably rise over night is enough for me to know that the tipping is not true either. But I'll be sure to put them on the stand and subpoena Irina's account records to convince you.
Believe what you want, I am only sharing what I know and what can be shown to be true. Disagree if you must, but do not impugn my character just because of my relationship with the model, especially when you have nothing to offer that contradicts what I am saying.
Don't boast too much about the view up her ass Pillow Metal. Your only 1 of thousands who's seen that view.
It is true that things can sometimes take quite a while to be fulfilled; it's an unfortunate side effect of her rise in popularity, and demands on her time. Even I have things owed or due, but I know she will eventually get to them with gentle reminders here and there (it's not for no reason that she often refers to me in room as annoyingPillow haha).
She is often overwhelmed with backlog and I have talked to her about how to alleviate that and prevent it in the future. It's simply the laws of supply and demand. You may have noticed she has raised her panty prices, skype prices, custom prices, etc. This is not because of greed, it is to reduce the demand and make it so fulfilling these obligations can be done in a more timely manner; and it has worked.
You also know as well as I do, that she has a self-admitted quick Russian temper that can sometimes result in rude and slightly vindictive behavior. But it subsides as quickly as it appears as long as the flames are not stoked. Also, "greasing the wheels" a little bit sometimes helps; perhaps this shouldn't be so, but she IS a cam model, and this IS a business, and sometimes paying for "expedited service" is worth it, both in the short term and the long term.
But I agree with your intent Bill, you have every right to share your experience with Irina and let people know. My only intent here is to make sure that rumors and incorrect assumptions are not propagated and to explain instances of her behavior, what caused it, and perhaps provide some insight to how that can be prevented in the future. I wish you nothing but the best.
it was a tongue in cheek retort to what you said about my nose being up her ass. Did you not get the joke? And I think you're mistaken, it's gotta be millions by now (see that was another joke)
You too Pillow. Everytime I would give her 10 or 12 "gentle reminders" she would tell me that she has a life and for me to get one and get over it :(
And your right this IS a business and she should treat it as such and no one should have to pay for "expedited service" especially after taking that damn long. Best wishes my friend.
"That's my point, I CAN support it with actual evidence to show what I outlined is indisputably true, which by definition is a fact. I am not about to release these pieces of personal information, documents, pictures, addresses, conversations here, this is not a court of law. Most of what I said is publicly verifiable information anyway."
You can't support nothing with evidence, otherwise you would have done so by now. I haven't asked for you to release any personal information, documents, pictures, addresses or conversations. I never said that this was a court of law, I suggest you re-read what I've written.
"The only reason I came on here and commented in the first place is to set some things straight; because of the vast amount of information I have, and the relationship I have with the model and her friends, I am in a much better position to correct the rumors and speculation floating around here than anyone else."
You are quite within your rights to come on to this forum and set some things straight, however you haven't set anything straight because all you've done is give one opinion after another with no supportive evidence.
"But the minute I walked in here you advised everyone to ignore me because I am biased and my opinions are not backed up by any facts. Should I say same about you that your opinions should be ignored because they are not back up by facts? At least I have information and first hand knowledge that I can share, which is more than I can say for you."
You first commented on this forum 1 year 9 months ago, I first commented 7 months 3 weeks ago. That's hardly the minute you walked in. I still advise everyone to ignore what you've written or to take what you say with a pinch of salt as you are KissofaCobra's biggest fan, one of her biggest tippers, you spend every minute she is online with her and you also say that you have a relationship with her and her friends. Are you really trying to say that you are unbiased? It's clear for all to see that you are going to have a biased opinion just by the fact you feel the need to comment and clear up rumours and speculation. At what point did I say I have first hand knowledge? Again re-read what i've written.
"You then went further and called my integrity into question when you said I remind you of the of the press secretary trying to use lies to cover up lies. So now not only are they not facts, they are not opinions either, they are lies. That is certainly an insult."
It certainly seems as though you've adopted the role of press secretary; as you feel it necessary to come on to this forum and "correct the rumors and speculation floating around". Aren't you doing exactly what a press secretary/pr manager would do?
"Your comment about tipping offline to increase camscore is only true in the sense that camscore is calculated by tokens divided by time online, but with that comes a corresponding increase or at least maintaining in rank, and yet her rank drops daily over night.
This comment makes no sense, as no one knows the formula and the variables(such as time frame) that MFC uses to calculate cam score.
"But who cares if they are doing that anyway. I was only saying that knowing the Tates, having talked to them, and even assisted them in certain endeavours, combined with the fact that her rank doesn't inexplicably rise over night is enough for me to know that the tipping is not true either. But I'll be sure to put them on the stand and subpoena Irina's account records to convince you."
I don't care if they're doing that or not. Congratulations to helping the Tates in their endeavours, you must be very proud of yourself. You seem to think that I am asking you to provide me with evidence, yet again go back and re-read what I have written. I have never asked you to provide me with evidence. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
"Believe what you want, I am only sharing what I know and what can be shown to be true. Disagree if you must, but do not impugn my character just because of my relationship with the model, especially when you have nothing to offer that contradicts what I am saying."
Thank you for allowing me to believe what I want. You are not sharing anything that can be shown to be true. If you was then you would have backed up everything you say with supporting evidence, which clearly you haven't. I haven't impugned your character at all, you claim something is fact and I say it can't be fact unless supported with evidence. I'm simply taking a critical and analytical approach to what you've stated. You can't handle the fact that others have a different opinion to you.
Now you are just splitting hairs and/or intentionally missing the point.
Of course you've never asked directly for evidence or claimed this was a court of law, you just keep mentioning the lack of supportive evidence over and over.
Again splitting hairs regarding the fact I commented ONCE 1 year 9 months ago to open this forum. I was clearly referring to my recent return to commenting.
Never claimed that you said you had first hand knowledge, was just pointing out that at least I had information, whether you think it should be taken with a grain of salt or not, whereas you are providing nothing.
Totally missing my point about the press secretary reference. Perhaps it appears I am doing what a press secretary does, but my point was that you labeled them "lies"
Of course no one knows the details of camscore calculation, but again my point was that it is not possible for someone to be dumping large amounts of tokens offline into a model without raising her rank too.
And again with if I could, I would have supplied the supporting evidence by now. I have supplied what I can safely and fairly without revealing personal information, if that is not good enough, so be it.
Not intentionally missing any point, you have no valid point.
I keep mentioning lack of supportive evidence because you have provided none. I'm rather perplexed as to why you can't seem to understand the point I am trying to make with regards to facts and opinions. Just because you say it's true, we're supposed to believe you and just accept that?
If you was "clearly" referring to your recent comments then you should have "clearly" stated that in your statement.
Struggling to understand what you actually want me to provide on here. I'm not the one claiming my opinions are facts and then not backing my opinions up with any credible evidence.
There's no perhaps about it, you're doing exactly what a press secretary does.
"Of course no one knows the details of cam score calculation, but again my point was that it is not possible for someone to be dumping large amounts of tokens offline into a model without raising her rank too."
I agree with you on this statement, but i'm unsure as to why you've brought it up as I don't dispute what you're saying here.
I will no longer reply on this thread as we are just going round in circles repeating ourselves. You can't seem to grasp or are unwilling to understand the point i'm trying to make.
Have a good day
This girl is way too dumb. You might want to google Andrew Tate. He is abusing women. There is a video where he clearly slaps her face. That slap wasn’t staged at all. She even started crying. Maybe he is the one who forced her to get that awful tattoo and also his name. There is something fishy about Pillow, he is way too white knight. That Tate dude is such a dumb prick and someone who would even be in a relationship with him is even dumber. This girl is sooo boring on cam, fake smiling, fake laughing, boring performance. So, she is either that dumb or Tate has her with something. Oh, since Pillow knows so much, maybe you want to enlighte us? Also, why is her skin so orange? Trump complex? Is Pillow actually Tate? He always seems rude and she always bears with him. Idk man
No fishy they are not the same Pillow is just sad pathetic man who has nothing better to do than spend all his time in room thinking he is something special and has not got a real life and all he is to her is a cash register
MAGA
Damn so many conspiracy theories lol you guys need to do something else with your lives than this.This girl clearly doesn't care who she is fucking or you knowing about it or about these comments and is continuing on making money so might aswell move on because it doesn't seem to be stopping her
The night of that video was one of the wettest of her life. She has mellowed a bit since then but still loves slapping, spitting, choking, etc.... she likes it rough and wants the man to be dominant
He didn't force her to get those tattoos, she got his name when they were together, and the cobra tattoo is for a different reason that she shares with only a few people
He doesn't "have something on her", they are genuinely really good friends and see each other almost every day
I am rude and she puts up with it, because it's all a joke... that's why she laughs or shoots back. I am usually referring to some inside joke, or just poking fun and pushing her buttons. She can see me on cam and see that I am laughing when I make those comments
Maybe I like being a sad pathetic man with nothing better to do with my time, thinking I'm special and getting treated like a cash register - what's your problem with me, do you wish it was you?
'murica
The truth be known Irina doesn’t give a fuck about anybody except maybe a few friends and her family and that’s ok. SHE CAMS FOR THE MONEY. She scams, cheats, steals and lies for one purpose.........the money. She’s told me on many occasions that if she had her way, she wouldn’t speak to anybody i’m her room. The same holds true I’m sure for all the girls on MFC. If they tell you they’re in love with you then trust me.........they are lying. It’s all fake bullshit. All any of these girls are is wanking material.
Irina is a graet cam model who is worth every token I tip. She has made me feel special every since the first day we met. her personal life is just that personal!! She is model on MFC to make money. shes goal driven and i admire that. she does exactly what i would expect. Gives her members exactky what they tip for. it's unfortunate that out of the 1000 daily vistors to her room a handful of people choose to bash her. She lights up my days and tipping her is well.wort it.
Irina is a liar and a thief who is not worth a single token tip. She lies all the time to get you to part with your tokens. She dont send things that have been bought. She dont give her members what they tip for. She only sends items to her biggest tippers. One of the worst models on MFC and biggest scammer.
your joking right? heres the facts she is a top 20 model at MFC. her ranking alone says it all. how can you be the worst ( in your opinion) and rank as one of the best? something doesn't add up. she is to be admired for her hard work. this girl gives it her all every day. and thats a fact.
ok If Irina and Tate is just friends..can you tell why she posted a picture on instagram named " Another year, the same man" ??? and after few hours it dissapeared! its obviously not only good friend relationship, so Pillow dont talk about things you actualy dont know.
The fact that she says that to you doesnt mean it is true. ALL MODELS LIE. Absolutelyy ALL.Its part of their job to provide you guys fantasy and make you tip for that..but at the same time if you get what you want- WHO CARES ???
At the same time- every fucking model has a outside life and that is none of you guys business!
And Bill..I have hear she talking about you in her room and trust me NONE of the models would meet you in real life afte attitude like that.