I don't care whether somebody believes me or not, or thinks that I would fake emails that I sent to MFC. There were people here speculating the studio might have been banned for other reasons, so I posted those as proof.
And I will continue to do so if I see somebody from Allure Studio on MFC.
And yeah, I take it a little personally. This guy was problematic way before AprilWong ever worked at the studio or he fucked her on camera. I know multiple girls who worked there whose lives were hard enough, and he and his behavior didn't make the job any less stressful or demeaning.
And again, I would never have known about this if the girls I knew had never told me. They were obviously gossiping about this at the studio, and they feared they would get caught. This result did not come as a surprise to some there.
Just because this is a dirty business doesn't mean there needs to be dirty people involved. And like I said, I know innocent models were affected too. But just like in the real world, workers are the ones who face the consequences of bad decisions by management or ownership.
I don't know what his official title is with the studio or his other duties, but he definitely uses his position to his advantage. Oh, and since he does videos with AprilWong on OnlyFans, guess who also gets an extra cut of the pay for that?
All you need to do is look at the KissofaCobra thread on this site and see people making excuses for her/the Tate brothers behavior. Look how that turned out years later.
Believe it or not, there are some studios where the girls are treated well. I am sure those are the exceptions, but it is possible to do so.
There are also plenty of studios broadcasting on MFC where the girls aren't treated well, but do you know what? They aren't stupid enough to break the site's biggest rule, so they can continue behaving how they do off camera and there isn't anything to report them for.
All I know is, Ukraine and Romania both suffer from these horrible circumstances and hundreds of models are being taken advantage of. I don't really deal much with MFC, so I don't know how well it pays, but LiveJasmin is a joke and models that work for studios and LiveJasmin get robbed every day.
All I know is, Ukraine and Romania both suffer from these horrible circumstances and hundreds of models are being taken advantage of. I don't really deal much with MFC, so I don't know how well it pays, but LiveJasmin is a joke and models that work for studios and LiveJasmin get robbed every day.
Acești bani ar fi fost obținuți din conținutul pentru adulți iar aceste platforme ar fi trebuit să transfere banii celor care au produs acest conținut, însă, în realitate sumele ajungeau la frații Tate.
Which translated is: This money would have been obtained from the adult content and these platforms should have transferred the money to those who produced this content, but in reality the amounts went to the Tate brothers.
So yes, even after the website takes their cut, studios can still find ways to screw models out of what they earn. And hundreds of models being taken advantage of is underestimating the number.
None of the sites are great, the percentages they take varies. Just OnlyFans (as far as I am aware) lets them keep a good percentage. But the studios can also grab their share of OnlyFans money.
All I know is, Ukraine and Romania both suffer from these horrible circumstances and hundreds of models are being taken advantage of. I don't really deal much with MFC, so I don't know how well it pays, but LiveJasmin is a joke and models that work for studios and LiveJasmin get robbed every day.
Acești bani ar fi fost obținuți din conținutul pentru adulți iar aceste platforme ar fi trebuit să transfere banii celor care au produs acest conținut, însă, în realitate sumele ajungeau la frații Tate.
Which translated is: This money would have been obtained from the adult content and these platforms should have transferred the money to those who produced this content, but in reality the amounts went to the Tate brothers.
So yes, even after the website takes their cut, studios can still find ways to screw models out of what they earn. And hundreds of models being taken advantage of is underestimating the number.
None of the sites are great, the percentages they take varies. Just OnlyFans (as far as I am aware) lets them keep a good percentage. But the studios can also grab their share of OnlyFans money.
I hope the Tate brothers both rot in jail. I have nothing to say about Tristan other than the fact he's an accomplice to his brother's wicked lifestyle. As for this "J" character from Allure studios. I can only imagine his days are numbered now as well since his gig is up and the models were only silent because their jobs depended on it. Of course, pornography was illegal in Ukraine as of last year with hopes of having that changed, but I don't think it ever did. So this means that these girls can't even prosecute this asshole because they'll incriminate themselves in the process.
Really interesting documentary that an Australian public broadcasting company posted to YouTube recently:
Inside Romania's Sexcam Industry | Full Episode | SBS Dateline
Made me think of this thread. Especially two quotes by a webcam model at the end
On what it will take to make the industry safer, if it is possible:
I think it's possible to make it a safe place. But I think the people that have the money to open studios and to do this business are not interested in your safety, are interested in business part of making money off of you.
And her final quote:
It's horrible to be the model. It's amazing to be the manager.
It's an interesting 30 minute watch. And I think those final two quotes are reflected in a lot of what's come out in this discussion.
I actually helped get two studio 20 agencies in Timisoara, Romania shut down for threatening, coercing and blackmailing models. It's actually quite sad, just how widespread this really is. Unfortunately, I don't see this changing anytime soon in Romania because the economy is poor, the politicians are corrupt ( I wouldn't be surprised it if politicians weren't promoting the industry while receiving bribes ) and so you have this giant vacuum of what seems like an endless supply of young and beautiful models that are constantly being exploited by literally everyone.
Two of the top models on LiveJasmin ( Anisyia and Vicky ) along with Anisyia's husband just opened a brand new studio in Brasov Romania about a year ago. It's hard to say if they exploit models, but my experience when talking with Anisyia is that she only cares about herself and has been known to lie about everything so long as it makes her money.
Hi, I just found this thread about the Odessa Allure MFC massacre. Here are a few facts I can contribute.
1. One of the banned models was divorced but still had an ID under her married name, so MFC thought she was a new model and allowed her to register a second account. Then a few days later they realized she was with Allure and deleted the second account. So that's one reason a model came back for a few days before being banned again.
2. One of the big reasons models work for studios in Ukraine is that the studios bribe the local police so there are no raids. Another reason is most of the models don't have much at home, and the studio supplies nice equipment and tech support so it's worth it to the model to pay for this. I also once found a small studio that banned total nudity so they theoretically weren't illegal, but the models still appreciated the support.
3. Since the war, the police have a lot more important things to worry about, so they don't really raid camgirls much any more. Before the war, most of the Ukrainian models had a profile that said they were from Poland, now a lot admit that they are from Ukraine with no bad consequences. So theoretically it's less risky for a model to work without a studio now.
4. I recently asked a Ukraine model if she wanted to work at home without a studio, and she said it's difficult because the studio supplies special software: (1) anonymizes streams so the model can't be located (2) real-time translation so the model can chat in other languages (like Google Translate but integrated into the MFC model broadcaster), and possibly other useful customizations.
5. Aside: Allure Odessa is EVIL - they are always "fining" models for taking days off, even if a baby is sick or a parent died, or for being late or for not earning enough. This studio in particular takes their entire cut and then a bunch more via these made-up fines. As a member whose tips were not getting to my favorite model, I thought about complaining to MFC that Allure Odessa was corruptly stealing model income; maybe that's why they were banned? (Probably not but that behavior really pissed me off).
6. Allure sends models to many sites. When the MFC accounts were banned, they sent the models to CB, Adultwork, and many other sites, but still under their Allure contract and still from the same studio building. I once saw an Allure model on CB who appeared to be doing math while her room was idle, she explained that she was something of an admin and had to enter all the models hours into a huge spreadsheet to calculate pay. Her complaint was "so many different models, so many different sites".
And here's a news flash - very recently all the models from Kharkiv studio 3fmodels were banned by MFC. This studio was NOT Allure and was generally well liked by the models, so it's hard to understand what MFC is doing. These models are appearing on CB and other sites, and not making nearly as much money, just like the Odessa Allure models...
Jimmy two times, in appearance he is such a good Samaritan who takes care of the girls from the studio, is friends with them because they share secrets with him, earnings, and so on, but in fact he deprives them of earnings and blocks all new models. As they say, it’s not enemies who stick a knife in the back, but friends) right, Daniel?)
Jimmy two times, in appearance he is such a good Samaritan who takes care of the girls from the studio, is friends with them because they share secrets with him, earnings, and so on, but in fact he deprives them of earnings and blocks all new models. As they say, it’s not enemies who stick a knife in the back, but friends) right, Daniel?)
I don't know how I got brought into this, you might need to go back and re-read the whole thread. I never reported a single model to MFC, although I don't think it's a bad thing that it happened.
And my name isn't Daniel, so you're 0-for-2 there, buddy.
The models from the studio that I know knew this would happen at some point and they know about this thread. They still talk to me, so I am satisfied with everything that I have said here.
5. Aside: Allure Odessa is EVIL - they are always "fining" models for taking days off, even if a baby is sick or a parent died, or for being late or for not earning enough. This studio in particular takes their entire cut and then a bunch more via these made-up fines. As a member whose tips were not getting to my favorite model, I thought about complaining to MFC that Allure Odessa was corruptly stealing model income; maybe that's why they were banned? (Probably not but that behavior really pissed me off).
Thanks for contributing to this thread.
This is a key point I have learned from girls who work there, other members from MFC, and the discussion on this site. Most of the girls there are miserable, but Allure Studio is great at putting on a happy front in public and on social media.
5. Aside: Allure Odessa is EVIL - they are always "fining" models for taking days off, even if a baby is sick or a parent died, or for being late or for not earning enough. This studio in particular takes their entire cut and then a bunch more via these made-up fines. As a member whose tips were not getting to my favorite model, I thought about complaining to MFC that Allure Odessa was corruptly stealing model income; maybe that's why they were banned? (Probably not but that behavior really pissed me off).
Thanks for contributing to this thread.
This is a key point I have learned from girls who work there, other members from MFC, and the discussion on this site. Most of the girls there are miserable, but Allure Studio is great at putting on a happy front in public and on social media.
Some of the girls praise the studio and will not say a bad word about Allure. I've heard many of the bad stories, from some of the girls, but others praise the studio. Maybe they are oblivious or just gullible and convinced that there is nothing bad going on. Maybe they think this is normal. So many of them could make so much more if they did it from there own apartment. I know some of these girls live where this is not possible.
Yeah, I can't blame them for working at a studio. It is nearly impossible in Ukraine to do it on your own.
The biggest issue seems to be the studio that they work for. And I have seen the same complaints about other studios that I have seen about Allure. This just became so public because of the way they were banned from MyFreeCams.
Desperate women doesn't make miserable work conditions ok. The ones praising the studio are probably already in relationships with studio employees and aren't under as much pressure. Some studios are decent, but almost all studios charge their models way too much for their cut. Imagine being good enough to receive 60% from LiveJasmin, only to have your studio take 1/2 of that. Which means even the really good models only make 30% of their earnings. While not exactly sex trafficking, it's no better than being pimped out like a prostitute.
Jimmy two times, in appearance he is such a good Samaritan who takes care of the girls from the studio, is friends with them because they share secrets with him, earnings, and so on, but in fact he deprives them of earnings and blocks all new models. As they say, it’s not enemies who stick a knife in the back, but friends) right, Daniel?)
LOL So, here is the thing. You are either Russian or Ukrainian. My guess goes to Ukrainian. I won't go as far as saying you are someone from the studio. But you are definitively Ukrainian. Only RU/UA people use this weird smiling face ) which is a face without eyes. This smiley and calling members "dear" are two things that right away reveal where the model is from.
Jimmy two times, in appearance he is such a good Samaritan who takes care of the girls from the studio, is friends with them because they share secrets with him, earnings, and so on, but in fact he deprives them of earnings and blocks all new models. As they say, it’s not enemies who stick a knife in the back, but friends) right, Daniel?)
LOL So, here is the thing. You are either Russian or Ukrainian. My guess goes to Ukrainian. I won't go as far as saying you are someone from the studio. But you are definitively Ukrainian. Only RU/UA people use this weird smiling face ) which is a face without eyes. This smiley and calling members "dear" are two things that right away reveal where the model is from.
I usually don't see Russians and Ukrainians use commas as much as green.druid. Also the sentence structure is someone very familiar with English language. It is too fluid for a Russian speaking person. Still it is possible he is from Eastern Europe. I have never seen a model share earnings.
I have formed the habit of using parenthesis ( or ) when I talk with different models. Sometimes I even use when texting friends and family. This habit comes from talking with different Ukrainian models. I also used when I played different mmo's. I live very far from Eastern Europe. American born, raised and lived my entire life.
Jimmy two times, in appearance he is such a good Samaritan who takes care of the girls from the studio, is friends with them because they share secrets with him, earnings, and so on, but in fact he deprives them of earnings and blocks all new models. As they say, it’s not enemies who stick a knife in the back, but friends) right, Daniel?)
LOL So, here is the thing. You are either Russian or Ukrainian. My guess goes to Ukrainian. I won't go as far as saying you are someone from the studio. But you are definitively Ukrainian. Only RU/UA people use this weird smiling face ) which is a face without eyes. This smiley and calling members "dear" are two things that right away reveal where the model is from.
I usually don't see Russians and Ukrainians use commas as much as green.druid. Also the sentence structure is someone very familiar with English language. It is too fluid for a Russian speaking person. Still it is possible he is from Eastern Europe. I have never seen a model share earnings.
I have formed the habit of using parenthesis ( or ) when I talk with different models. Sometimes I even use when texting friends and family. This habit comes from talking with different Ukrainian models. I also used when I played different mmo's. I live very far from Eastern Europe. American born, raised and lived my entire life.
It may sound perfect. But then some mannerism slips...
So I knew a few models from Allure in Odessa. It really is terrible. Models constantly fined, made to work overtime, not allowed to book holidays. Many models are working 50, 60 hours in agony because of the conditions in the studio so have bad back ache. Some months they were given no pay. They are given an apartment to live in with rules who they can take there and what they can do. They fire the girls for nothing in particular but yet were quite happy to allow April to carry on despite she has hit the studio income by getting them banned on MFC. The IT guy Oleg (called J above) pesters all the girls to create content for OF with him.
So I knew a few models from Allure in Odessa. It really is terrible. Models constantly fined, made to work overtime, not allowed to book holidays. Many models are working 50, 60 hours in agony because of the conditions in the studio so have bad back ache. Some months they were given no pay. They are given an apartment to live in with rules who they can take there and what they can do. They fire the girls for nothing in particular but yet were quite happy to allow April to carry on despite she has hit the studio income by getting them banned on MFC. The IT guy Oleg (called J above) pesters all the girls to create content for OF with him.
Just wanted to thank you @BabyChamMan for the information you have posted here and that I have seen in other threads you have created.
The people running Allure seem to be so shady, it's good to see this all being exposed.
So I knew a few models from Allure in Odessa. It really is terrible. Models constantly fined, made to work overtime, not allowed to book holidays. Many models are working 50, 60 hours in agony because of the conditions in the studio so have bad back ache. Some months they were given no pay. They are given an apartment to live in with rules who they can take there and what they can do. They fire the girls for nothing in particular but yet were quite happy to allow April to carry on despite she has hit the studio income by getting them banned on MFC. The IT guy Oleg (called J above) pesters all the girls to create content for OF with him.
Yeah, the Oleg/J and April coupling seems to be "toxic" (that's the word my friends from the studio used.)
Getting them to shoot OnlyFans content and taking his cut of the profit is another way for him to exploit these girls.
The video you posted with your review was certainly interesting, so thank you for that feedback.
Most girls can at least pretend like they want to be there.
To be honest, her OnlyFans videos are also pretty disappointing. That is unless you're really interested in her being mostly silent while the guy wheezes as he fucks her with lots of shots of his hairy belly and legs and awful tattoos on his forearms.
This might just not be the job for her, no matter how hot she is.
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. If you don't enjoy sex, masturbation or similar carnal acts, don't waste your time being a cam model. That isn't to say some models don't get away with limited quality shows, thanks to a lot of rich men with a IQs less than 100. I just think this stigma or trend needs to end. I'm tired of studios and models putting in as little effort as possible in hopes of getting rich. All I ask of you folks is to request refunds for any studio / model who portrays this cam industry ideology.
That video in the review was pretty shocking to me honestly. That doesn't seem like the same girl I knew from MFC.
I have mostly followed her since February just through updates posted here, and I certainly haven't taken her private on any other site since the MFC banning. She was always a little moody but would eventually settle in and have fun, especially if she had another girl with her.
I guess screwing over your colleagues and getting your studio thrown off of a cam site can really take the wind out of your sails. I see where the bad reviews are coming from.
It appears Allure thinks there's nothing a fresh coat of paint can't cure.
There are some new girls popping up on MFC with some familiar looking rooms. They sure look familiar, but they seem to have moved some furniture and painted some walls, but they sure do resemble Allure Studio rooms.
For instance... Here is an old screen capture of AprilWong
And here is a recent screen capture of AprilWong Same mirror. Same patterned wall design, just painted over.
Like I said, there are some new models appearing on MFC with awfully familiar looking rooms. Maybe with some new paint or some furniture moved around. Just something to look out for...
Same mirror. Same patterned wall design, just painted over.
That is just lol... I don't want to give them ideas. But there is an easier way of changing a room. The "IT guy" Oleg should know how if he weren't too busy assaulting girls.
If you don't enjoy sex, masturbation or similar carnal acts, don't waste your time being a cam model.
I'd rather say, don't want/like to masturbate? Then, be a non nude model. But an honest one. Move to Soul Mate or whatever category the site uses. Tag yourself as nonnude, and say everywhere that you are on these sites to only chat and provide non nude companionship. You can talk about music, fashion, food, politics, religion, sports, games, and even talk about sex. But you will never get naked, no matter how much money the member gives. Ah, and while we are at this... do not ever give the impression that you love the member or that he has a chance of meeting you. Be a non nude like this, and then good luck making money. Really, non nude can make loads of money. But in most cases, they need to be lucky.
That video in the review was pretty shocking to me honestly. That doesn't seem like the same girl I knew from MFC.
I have mostly followed her since February just through updates posted here, and I certainly haven't taken her private on any other site since the MFC banning. She was always a little moody but would eventually settle in and have fun, especially if she had another girl with her.
I guess screwing over your colleagues and getting your studio thrown off of a cam site can really take the wind out of your sails. I see where the bad reviews are coming from.
I was surprised, too. I thought maybe she was going to give a very explicit but 'generic' cam show, just doing her job with an okay attitude. But she was moody the whole private, even though I was patient and polite. If you guys want, I can submit reviews on MilaVoox and StacyJey. Mila started kind of okay but went downhill, almost getting to the same level as April. Stacy was better. She was the only one who seemed friendly and didn't ask for tips.
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And I will continue to do so if I see somebody from Allure Studio on MFC.
And yeah, I take it a little personally. This guy was problematic way before AprilWong ever worked at the studio or he fucked her on camera. I know multiple girls who worked there whose lives were hard enough, and he and his behavior didn't make the job any less stressful or demeaning.
And again, I would never have known about this if the girls I knew had never told me. They were obviously gossiping about this at the studio, and they feared they would get caught. This result did not come as a surprise to some there.
Just because this is a dirty business doesn't mean there needs to be dirty people involved. And like I said, I know innocent models were affected too. But just like in the real world, workers are the ones who face the consequences of bad decisions by management or ownership.
I don't know what his official title is with the studio or his other duties, but he definitely uses his position to his advantage. Oh, and since he does videos with AprilWong on OnlyFans, guess who also gets an extra cut of the pay for that?
All you need to do is look at the KissofaCobra thread on this site and see people making excuses for her/the Tate brothers behavior. Look how that turned out years later.
https://mycamgirl.net/forum/discussion/2659/irina-aka-kissofacobra-of-myfreecams
Believe it or not, there are some studios where the girls are treated well. I am sure those are the exceptions, but it is possible to do so.
There are also plenty of studios broadcasting on MFC where the girls aren't treated well, but do you know what? They aren't stupid enough to break the site's biggest rule, so they can continue behaving how they do off camera and there isn't anything to report them for.
Which translated is: This money would have been obtained from the adult content and these platforms should have transferred the money to those who produced this content, but in reality the amounts went to the Tate brothers.
So yes, even after the website takes their cut, studios can still find ways to screw models out of what they earn. And hundreds of models being taken advantage of is underestimating the number.
None of the sites are great, the percentages they take varies. Just OnlyFans (as far as I am aware) lets them keep a good percentage. But the studios can also grab their share of OnlyFans money.
Inside Romania's Sexcam Industry | Full Episode | SBS Dateline
Made me think of this thread. Especially two quotes by a webcam model at the end
It's an interesting 30 minute watch. And I think those final two quotes are reflected in a lot of what's come out in this discussion.
1. One of the banned models was divorced but still had an ID under her married name, so MFC thought she was a new model and allowed her to register a second account. Then a few days later they realized she was with Allure and deleted the second account. So that's one reason a model came back for a few days before being banned again.
2. One of the big reasons models work for studios in Ukraine is that the studios bribe the local police so there are no raids. Another reason is most of the models don't have much at home, and the studio supplies nice equipment and tech support so it's worth it to the model to pay for this. I also once found a small studio that banned total nudity so they theoretically weren't illegal, but the models still appreciated the support.
3. Since the war, the police have a lot more important things to worry about, so they don't really raid camgirls much any more. Before the war, most of the Ukrainian models had a profile that said they were from Poland, now a lot admit that they are from Ukraine with no bad consequences. So theoretically it's less risky for a model to work without a studio now.
4. I recently asked a Ukraine model if she wanted to work at home without a studio, and she said it's difficult because the studio supplies special software: (1) anonymizes streams so the model can't be located (2) real-time translation so the model can chat in other languages (like Google Translate but integrated into the MFC model broadcaster), and possibly other useful customizations.
5. Aside: Allure Odessa is EVIL - they are always "fining" models for taking days off, even if a baby is sick or a parent died, or for being late or for not earning enough. This studio in particular takes their entire cut and then a bunch more via these made-up fines. As a member whose tips were not getting to my favorite model, I thought about complaining to MFC that Allure Odessa was corruptly stealing model income; maybe that's why they were banned? (Probably not but that behavior really pissed me off).
6. Allure sends models to many sites. When the MFC accounts were banned, they sent the models to CB, Adultwork, and many other sites, but still under their Allure contract and still from the same studio building. I once saw an Allure model on CB who appeared to be doing math while her room was idle, she explained that she was something of an admin and had to enter all the models hours into a huge spreadsheet to calculate pay. Her complaint was "so many different models, so many different sites".
And here's a news flash - very recently all the models from Kharkiv studio 3fmodels were banned by MFC. This studio was NOT Allure and was generally well liked by the models, so it's hard to understand what MFC is doing. These models are appearing on CB and other sites, and not making nearly as much money, just like the Odessa Allure models...
Jimmy two times, in appearance he is such a good Samaritan who takes care of the girls from the studio, is friends with them because they share secrets with him, earnings, and so on, but in fact he deprives them of earnings and blocks all new models. As they say, it’s not enemies who stick a knife in the back, but friends) right, Daniel?)
And my name isn't Daniel, so you're 0-for-2 there, buddy.
The models from the studio that I know knew this would happen at some point and they know about this thread. They still talk to me, so I am satisfied with everything that I have said here.
This is a key point I have learned from girls who work there, other members from MFC, and the discussion on this site. Most of the girls there are miserable, but Allure Studio is great at putting on a happy front in public and on social media.
The biggest issue seems to be the studio that they work for. And I have seen the same complaints about other studios that I have seen about Allure. This just became so public because of the way they were banned from MyFreeCams.
I have formed the habit of using parenthesis ( or ) when I talk with different models. Sometimes I even use when texting friends and family. This habit comes from talking with different Ukrainian models. I also used when I played different mmo's. I live very far from Eastern Europe. American born, raised and lived my entire life.
The people running Allure seem to be so shady, it's good to see this all being exposed.
Getting them to shoot OnlyFans content and taking his cut of the profit is another way for him to exploit these girls.
Most girls can at least pretend like they want to be there.
To be honest, her OnlyFans videos are also pretty disappointing. That is unless you're really interested in her being mostly silent while the guy wheezes as he fucks her with lots of shots of his hairy belly and legs and awful tattoos on his forearms.
This might just not be the job for her, no matter how hot she is.
I have mostly followed her since February just through updates posted here, and I certainly haven't taken her private on any other site since the MFC banning. She was always a little moody but would eventually settle in and have fun, especially if she had another girl with her.
I guess screwing over your colleagues and getting your studio thrown off of a cam site can really take the wind out of your sails. I see where the bad reviews are coming from.
There are some new girls popping up on MFC with some familiar looking rooms. They sure look familiar, but they seem to have moved some furniture and painted some walls, but they sure do resemble Allure Studio rooms.
For instance...
Here is an old screen capture of AprilWong
And here is a recent screen capture of AprilWong
Same mirror. Same patterned wall design, just painted over.
Like I said, there are some new models appearing on MFC with awfully familiar looking rooms. Maybe with some new paint or some furniture moved around. Just something to look out for...