What am I missing about LiveJasmin and it's studio affiliates?

Scam_Models

I've been on this site for almost a decade now and my current situation has me questioning some things about LiveJasmin and/or it's studios. Basically, there is a model that I've been in contact with for almost 2 years now. Since January of 2024, she has sent me over $12,000 via PayPal in order for me to spend that money on tokens because she says it helps boost her traffic. Yes, I have receipts.

Please explain to me the logic in spending $12,000 of HER money, only to lose a portion of it due to shitty conversion to tokens. Then to lose another chunk to LiveJasmin and her studio, which ranges from 40-70% depending on how well she's doing at the time. All this to improve traffic?

Best case scenario, she only loses $6,000 and worst case scenario, she loses $9,000. Is it just me or wouldn't it make more sense to lower your price per minute, be more willing to start VIP shows even if the goal isn't completely met or I don't know, anything but spending your own money?

MyCamgirl

Short answer: It may or may not work. But whatever result the studio/model gets, it is hard to say it was due to good placement. It is a practice that exists in other industries.

Here is a story. It may not exactly answer your question about self-tipping on LiveJasmin, but it gives a perspective.

Kickaz was in the top 20 on MyFreeCams 65 times between 2013 and 2018, which means she was in the top 20 every month for five years. Everyone knew her. She was seen as a highly successful top model, and her content was considered entertaining, genius, and unique. She was a huge name in the game. In part, her celebrity status was due to the fact that she was always in the top 20 and getting tips all the time. That status drove a lot of traffic to her room, and it was one of the busiest rooms on the site.

In 2020, she was banned from MyFreeCams. I am going to skip the reason why. But after the ban, it came to light that she had been tipping herself for most of these years. Self-tipping is a common practice on MyFreeCams. She boosted her camscore to have a better placement on the site and ended up creating the reputation of being a great camgirl to watch.

LiveJasmin does not have camscore, and I honestly don't know what they use to rank models for placement. But I think earnings may be a factor. However, LiveJasmin has deals with studios. I see on my feed that studio models appear on the top more often. But it is not strange since the site is saturated with studio models.

I have a theory that LiveJasmin is selling placement to studios as "advertising packages." The studio pays a fee, and its models appear on top for a period. They hope that this better exposure will bring more traffic and that the investment will yield some return.

A quick note about studios, camsites, and CPA networks: After being asked by many about advertising on MyCamgirl, I can say they are not very bright or innovative. They all come with the same approach: "shove my banners on your users' faces". If there are no results, then "put more banners."

Scam_Models said:

All this to improve traffic?

Yes, I guess so. They are putting her face on the front page. More traffic means more chances to have privates and potentially more members becoming loyal.

They do lose a lot of money. But if you see studios as businesses, paying for more traffic/better exposure can be considered an operational expense. They pay to put the girl's face everywhere so everyone notices her. It is not exactly marketing because they are not communicating an idea. Like the banners, they simply shove the girl's face everywhere.

As a parallel comparison, playlist placement is a thing on Spotify (although the company deems it is against the rules). Marketers create playlists, get people to listen to those playlists, and then sell placements to artists. The artist pays a fee to get their song on the playlist, boosting their stream count, increasing exposure, and potentially gaining new fans. For reference, I paid for Spotify playlist placements so you don't have to

You may think losing between $6,000-$9,000 is a bad strategy. However, many variables can make this a smart move. But the same variables can make this a stupid move. Studios/models can't measure the return because they never know if a new member spending $500 daily was luck or the result of a better placement.

Scam_Models said:

Is it just me or wouldn't it make more sense to lower your price per minute, be more willing to start VIP shows even if the goal isn't completely met or I don't know, anything but spending your own money?

It certainly would increase her chance of having loyal members. They would see her as a girl with a fair price who performs VIP shows no matter what. But all that would be pointless if there was nobody in her room.

Paying for placement makes sense in this case. However, as she invests $6,000-$9,000, she tends to raise the price to pay for the investment.

MyCamgirl

By the way, I read the title and thought it was about LiveJasmin's relationship with studios. It happens that I am currently gathering information about studios on LiveJasmin.

Just as food for thought, between 2013 and 2019, a single studio held 3357 accounts on LiveJasmin. I can't say that 3357 accounts = 3357 models. But I checked some accounts (many are still available but not in use), and they were all different models. Most accounts worked for about 1 month, spending a little over 4-5 hours online, with half of the time in private chat. The studio was from Russia.

The second biggest studio has been on LiveJasmin since 2021, and it had 2221 accounts. In 2024, they had about 400 active accounts. This studio is from Colombia.

The oldest studio I could find has been on LiveJasmin since 2010, and they are still active with 200 accounts.

Scam_Models

Well, she did extremely well last year. Made Top 20 for the contest and with that, a hefty amount of money. However, 2024 has been anything but lucrative for her. In fact, it's practically nightmarish. She said she planned to cam for a total of 4-5 years. Thought about leaving the studio to market herself for a bigger cut, but was always too afraid to lose her current followers. Well, it would seem to me that her current regulars are not able to keep her afloat to the degree that she needs to keep her studio happy.

The adult cam industry has exploded, but it would seem the amount of viewers no longer meets the demand of studios and models. It would seem supply is at a huge surplus while demand has diminished. While I can certainly understand models not wanting to bend a knee, suck it up and lower prices. It would seem that this is the only option studios and models have left.

At any rate, I told her I wouldn't help her anymore because I honestly felt like she was throwing money away. Simply based on the fact that the $12,000 she had me spend so far has had little to no affect on her return investment. Of course, she refuses to listen to advice or feedback from members, even me. Eventually she's going to come to that stark realization that something must change and nothing she chooses will be a positive move forward for her.

WhatHank

That is interesting. Finally, someone confirmed what I suspected.

@Scam_Models the boost the model was hoping to get was a better place (like showing up on top of the frontpage) or move her up on LiveJasmin awards? I am sure this helps get more members in her room. But for me in particular it has no influence. I never look at the awards, and when browsing models I scroll down a lot and not look only on the first models.

Scam_Models

Yeah, LiveJasmin and it's studio affiliates have really warped the cam industry. I personally loathe studios because they 100% scam models and on top of that, they train models to scam it's members. So members waste money, model's lose money and studios and LiveJasmin make bank.

Scam_Models

Oh, I forgot to mention. This particular models stated that she pays $5000 a month for her own room at the studio, lol.

Scam_Models

Scam_Models said:

Oh, I forgot to mention. This particular models stated that she pays $5000 a month for her own room at the studio, lol.

My apologies. There was a miscommunication about this and she clarified it. She doesn't pay $5000 a month for her room. She needs to EARN $5000 a period in order to keep her own room. So technically, she only needs to earn $10,000+ a month to keep her room. Which means if she's had her own room pretty much the whole time I've known her that she's made a minimum of $120,000 a year.

Tomcat

Scam_Models said:

Scam_Models said:

Oh, I forgot to mention. This particular models stated that she pays $5000 a month for her own room at the studio, lol.

My apologies. There was a miscommunication about this and she clarified it. She doesn't pay $5000 a month for her room. She needs to EARN $5000 a period in order to keep her own room. So technically, she only needs to earn $10,000+ a month to keep her room. Which means if she's had her own room pretty much the whole time I've known her that she's made a minimum of $120,000 a year.

I know many studios do that to push models to make money, and replace them with models who can make more money. It is to ensure the studio is profitable and the girls will worry if they don't meet goals. But unless this studio only has big earners, setting a minimum of $10,000 per month to keep the room seems too high.

I am not saying it is not true. I believe many people in this industry are capable of pushing girls that hard. It reminds me of a video of a so-called telemarketing guru pushing a newbie on a phone call to use all the tricks possible to take the most from the client. He was never satisfied and kept pushing the guy to seal a bigger deal. When the newbie did it and looked for validation and a high-five, the "guru" just turned and left like the newbie was a simple robot doing his job.

Jimmy Two Times

Tomcat said:

Scam_Models said:

Scam_Models said:

Oh, I forgot to mention. This particular models stated that she pays $5000 a month for her own room at the studio, lol.

My apologies. There was a miscommunication about this and she clarified it. She doesn't pay $5000 a month for her room. She needs to EARN $5000 a period in order to keep her own room. So technically, she only needs to earn $10,000+ a month to keep her room. Which means if she's had her own room pretty much the whole time I've known her that she's made a minimum of $120,000 a year.

I know many studios do that to push models to make money, and replace them with models who can make more money. It is to ensure the studio is profitable and the girls will worry if they don't meet goals. But unless this studio only has big earners, setting a minimum of $10,000 per month to keep the room seems too high.

I am not saying it is not true. I believe many people in this industry are capable of pushing girls that hard. It reminds me of a video of a so-called telemarketing guru pushing a newbie on a phone call to use all the tricks possible to take the most from the client. He was never satisfied and kept pushing the guy to seal a bigger deal. When the newbie did it and looked for validation and a high-five, the "guru" just turned and left like the newbie was a simple robot doing his job.

I agree, the situation is very familiar, but the amount of $10K a month seems a bit high.

Then again, I've known girls who had to put in 14-18 hour days at the end of the month to try and make the money to rent their room. And if you follow a girl on OnlyFans and she gets desperate at the end of the month with sales, that's another indication that the rent is coming due and they're short on pay.

So while it seems a bit high, with as much as studios take advantage of these girls, it isn't impossible.

Tomcat

Jimmy Two Times said:

So while it seems a bit high, with as much as studios take advantage of these girls, it isn't impossible.

The worst part is if the girl has a great month and makes double the minimum set by the studio, she won't have a break next month. They will tell she must work the same and reach the minimum even though she has money to pay 1 month for the room without working. They may even push the girl to repeat the feat and earn 2x the minimum again.

NiceShepard

WhatHank said:

That is interesting. Finally, someone confirmed what I suspected.

@Scam_Models the boost the model was hoping to get was a better place (like showing up on top of the frontpage) or move her up on LiveJasmin awards? I am sure this helps get more members in her room. But for me in particular it has no influence. I never look at the awards, and when browsing models I scroll down a lot and not look only on the first models.

LiveJasmin awards are a joke and manipulated. Back in the day any member could vote, even those without credits. Studios used to create hundreds of member accounts to cast votes when any member could vote. I wrote a review about RexellaAlvey. I am waiting for approval. She is horrible. Her rating is 2.5 based on votes from 35 members. It is not just a couple of members. 35 different members rated her and the average is 2.5 out of 5! But somehow she is ranked #22 on the newbies awards. I can't see how she achieved that other than pure manipulation.

She is not even taking advantage of her pumped position. She spends a lot of time in member chat because she is topless on another site. Members see her in the awards and go to her room, but the door is closed because she is in member chat. Traffic wasted.

MyCamgirl

NiceShepard said:

I wrote a review about RexellaAlvey. I am waiting for approval.

I just approved it. There was a bug in the backend that I had to fix first.

notrollswelcome

I really don't know the model you are referring to, cut I have experienced a similar situation, albeit more refined.  I knew a model that worked for a studio that had a White Label Site mirroring LiveJasmin.  I was asked to accept payment on Revolut of 10K sent by her boss expressly for tipping his models on LJ.  I had to purchase the credits at  the WhiteLabel site, which at that time was a separate billing service.  I also had to spend the money on tips only, preferably large tips.

This differs significantly since the credits were not purchased on LJ, plus my account originated at the White Label site.  The tips were also tipped on the WhiteLabel site.  The effect of this is that not as money was lost on the transaction, plus the models did not get monetary benefit from the tips.  Hence the only cost would have been the share that the WhiteLabel site and LJ had contracted and agreed to.

Yes the sole purpose of this was to raise the models on the algorithm used by LiveJasmin, placing them at the top of the page, and also raising the value of the studio's ranking on LiveJasmin.  We are talking about BIG money on LiveJasmin.  Some may think that Awards or page placement do not matter, however if you look at the points of Models in the Awards, those points are directly tied to credits earned on the site, not credits paid out.  LiveJasmin's payouts to models are exceptionally low, they start layered at 30%, and are capable to rise to 80% after a sizeable amount of money is earned in stages of 5% to 10%.  The top winners typically may have as much as 100K+ credits earned, with only a partial amount of that in the 80% level.

So, raising the ranking and placement of models does work.  As for the end of month, or period as models say, situation typically this is the sweet spot for their earnings.  This is the point they are at the top of the earning levels, or are striving to reach the next level payout.  Obviously working for 30% is one thing but working for 80% is a whole different situation.  The studio payouts to the models come after the LiveJasmin payouts.  These are usually level dependant as well, so the whole push is to reach the maximum earning potential for the models as well.

All of that said, the Award Categories are ranked at a portion of the credits earned.  Whereas the Top Model Contests are directly credits earned related.  I have observed that the Awards points range at about 20% to 40% of the Top Model Contest.  I have tracked this information on LiveJasmin and other sites.  These girls at the top are known as "Million Dollar Babies" as they progress.  This puts them in excess of 12K to 20K per month from some that I have seen.

So please tell me again how Awards, and page placement don't matter?  Unfortunately this puts your average models at a huge disadvantage in terms of traffic which is directly proportional to earnings.  Which BTW, is still very profitable for LiveJasmin at 30%.  It is purely a numbers game that works in the house's favor.  And yes, it is rigged.  Have a nice day.

MyCamgirl

notrollswelcome said:

I was asked to accept payment on Revolut of 10K sent by her boss expressly for tipping his models on LJ.  I had to purchase the credits at  the WhiteLabel site, which at that time was a separate billing service.  I also had to spend the money on tips only, preferably large tips.

Third parties own the vast majority of White Labels. There are a few cases of White Labels owned by LiveJasmin itself, but in almost all cases, they are owned by affiliates and, sometimes, models and studios.

If you were told to buy credits only through the white label, I would guess that the studio owned the white label. Giving you money and instructing you to buy credits on their own white label is against TOS.

There are many scenarios where they can obtain between 65% and 125% of the money invested. Yes, 125%. That is not a typo. If the White Label is owned by a studio and the credits are spent on their own models, it can reach up to 125% in commissions. I bet they were the White Label's owners, and they used it to get a better commission. But I can't say for sure they reached 125%. I am only saying there is this possibility.

Realistically, without any tricks, it is nearly impossible to reach that level because it requires the model to earn at least $30,000 in a two-week period. But, since they were manipulating sales, anything is possible. LiveJasmin would probably investigate if they pull this trick too often, though. There is no way a model can earn $30,000 in two weeks and go unnoticed without having her sessions analyzed by LiveJasmin.

As I said, I am only pointing out that this is possible. The studio likely only aimed to place its model at a high rank on the Awards while getting a better ROI.

Yeahtheboys

notrollswelcome said:

All of that said, the Award Categories are ranked at a portion of the credits earned.  Whereas the Top Model Contests are directly credits earned related.  I have observed that the Awards points range at about 20% to 40% of the Top Model Contest.  I have tracked this information on LiveJasmin and other sites.  These girls at the top are known as "Million Dollar Babies" as they progress.  This puts them in excess of 12K to 20K per month from some that I have seen.

So please tell me again how Awards, and page placement don't matter?  Unfortunately this puts your average models at a huge disadvantage in terms of traffic which is directly proportional to earnings.  Which BTW, is still very profitable for LiveJasmin at 30%.  It is purely a numbers game that works in the house's favor.  And yes, it is rigged.  Have a nice day.

I don't know precisely how either the Awards categories or the Top Model contests are determined, but I do know it's not 100% "directly credits earned related".

Since 2018, Kate has been by far the highest earning LJ model, with the exception of 2021 when her fellow studio camgirl Aellenna was the highest earning camgirl due to an LJ record high gift, yet Kate isn't often at number 1 of the Top Model contests. Probably because she is never promoted by her studio, and is hardly ever online - she doesn't need to be due to having one massive spending member. So there is IMO clearly another factor apart from credits earned that plays a factor in determining the ranking of these contests. I can also think of a number of other models who earn in that 12-15K per month yet do not feature in the top 100 of the Top Models awards.